On the Love Fort Wayne Podcast, hosts Geoff King and Mitch Kruse join forces with anti-trafficking experts Sandra Keller and Janice Maurizi to uncover the hidden links between human trafficking and trauma. From discussions about informed leadership and mental health to exploring how bullying, anxiety in young girls, and the need for a continuum of care all play a role, this episode will take you on an enlightening journey. Hear heartwarming stories of transformation and get inspired by the Train the Trainer program, as the guests share valuable insights into trauma, leadership, mindfulness, and much more! With fascinating facts about how trauma impacts our brains to connecting with people in need of support during hardship, this episode is an absolute must-listen for anyone interested in understanding more about the issue of human trafficking. Tune in now and join the conversation!
On the Love Fort Wayne Podcast, hosts Geoff King and Mitch Kruse join forces with anti-trafficking experts Sandra Keller and Janice Maurizi to uncover the hidden links between human trafficking and trauma. From discussions about informed leadership and mental health to exploring how bullying, anxiety in young girls, and the need for a continuum of care all play a role, this episode will take you on an enlightening journey. Hear heartwarming stories of transformation and get inspired by the Train the Trainer program, as the guests share valuable insights into trauma, leadership, mindfulness, and much more! With fascinating facts about how trauma impacts our brains to connecting with people in need of support during hardship, this episode is an absolute must-listen for anyone interested in understanding more about the issue of human trafficking. Tune in now and join the conversation!
We're excited to launch season three of the love Fort Wayne podcast. The love Fort Wayne podcast connects to stories of leadership happening in northeast Indiana to imagine inspire and ignite transformation in leaders 20 to 25 minutes at a time. I'm Jeff King, CEO and Executive Director of love for way. I love Fort Wayne, we know that the pillars of a flourishing community are at schools, its leaders, churches, and families. Join us as we learn from leaders across the region on how to not just lead but love our city.
Mitch Kruse:Hi, I'm Mitch Cruz, and welcome to our love Fort Wayne podcast, where we just try to share what God is doing to advance his kingdom in our community, as we don't just lead but love our city. Yep. And it is my distinct privilege to introduce the CEO of love Fort Wayne, ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for Geoffrey Lind King
Geoff King:See, when I let--Listen, those listening. When Mitch kicks off the show, he throws in my full government name, including my amazing middle name
Mitch Kruse:That you don't like.
Geoff King:That I don't like. But it's mine. It is Geoffrey Lind King is. Thank you, Mitch,
Mitch Kruse:My pleasure.
Geoff King:It's a warm introduction to the Love Fort Wayne podcast. And yeah, we're talking to everyday people, everyday leaders, who are making Kingdom impacts in our community. And we got people that listen from outside of our community. But I think it's cool that we get a chance to tell stories from within our communities, and in so many different various ways. But specifically folks that are connected to schools, folks that are that are connected to leaders are leading in our cities, pastors and ministry, leaders in our community and those who are serving and loving on families in unique ways. And we're rooted in that particular pillar. Today, as we have Sandra and Janice here, and I'm gonna let you ladies do your I won't do you like Mitch did me. But, but I don't I don't mind it, Mitch here. He's my guy. But I always love when those folks who are joining us. So welcome, first of all, yeah, we're glad to have you here. And you guys are doing amazing work together. And I love that word. I know that's important to you together, not just you two ladies together, but with other people in our community, specifically in the area of trauma and how it impacts families and individuals in our community as a whole. And so I'm excited to have that conversation. But where I started with was, I want to let you introduce yourselves a little bit about who you are, maybe some of your history and background of what led you here to Fort Wayne, and in our area, doing the work that the Lord has asked for you to do that he's called for you to do.
Sandra Keller:Sure, I'm gonna go first. married for 23 years raising three boys 2119 and 10. And have always had a passion for empowering people. Those that are just especially that are in a vulnerable state. Just being that encouragement to them. My background was Department of Corrections, I work for a state of Illinois, for good 13 years. And then I had also worked for international anti trafficking organization for seven years. And so again, just have had a heart and a passion for justice. And I think over time, for me, it was being on the tail end of that Rescue and Restore and the end of the line for youth and what can we do on the front end? What can we do? Where can we get to some of the systemic can we? How do we keep people from even falling into some of these areas? And so that was part of my path, and how the even the initiative was created, and how we could get on that front end.
Geoff King:Thank you.
Mitch Kruse:Sandra when you mentioned Department of Corrections I sat up a little straighter
Janice Maurizi:Be on your best behavior.
Sandra Keller:You're doing good Mitch.
Janice Maurizi:I'm actually a Fort Wayne native, born and raised. Yeah. You know, this community is where my foundations were built. So my background is in marriage and family therapy. And I've worked both in the clinical world and the church and nonprofit world. I lived overseas for three years in India, working with trafficked and vulnerable children. And so at the heart of that is trauma and the brokenness of our world. And when I came back to Fort Wayne, from being overseas, it was just waiting and seeing where can I step back into the community and contribute and have a passion for educating and teaching so that people are empowered, to be healthy, empowered to heal, empowered to know. And I would even say for our leaders to be empowered to lead in a way that is informed by the health of the people that are underneath their leadership and how they can best serve them, which I think is really important.
Geoff King:I love that part. I was. I've had conversations over this this year, Mitch, that folks have talked not only about mental health, but mental wellness. And I think for my personal journey of just self and my family is, if I'm mentally well, it's okay for me to still pursue mental wellness. And so I love that you said that, because I think sometimes his folks are leading others, they might look at their people, their organization, their family, and say, we're cool, we're good. But there's an importance of being taught and understanding how to continue to pour into your people so that they can continue to experience mental wellness, because you just never know what catalytic event might happen in someone's life, where there, there's trauma, or someone that you might, I'm gonna use this, we're very lightly inherit as a part of your team, your organization, your company, that that is their history. And so to be I love that you mentioned that very last part. And I know that's part of you all's mission is to continue to equip and, and train people. So this this topic of mental health and mental wellness and in trauma and our call to be people that love and serve and and see those those individuals have who have experienced those things. It's a positive hot topic in our society, which I know you guys are like, Yay, like, people are talking about this. And there's, there's no stigma behind it. And I have no issue on the microphone saying like, I have a counselor, I have a therapist and my family me individually, we've experienced traumas. And we know that we're okay with talking about that with trusted people. So it's a hot topic now. But why are you interested in it? And then like, before, it became something that our communities talk about now more freely? You were in it before? And why was it something that your heart was drawn to?
Sandra Keller:For me, when you talk about human trafficking, substance abuse, trauma is all part. It's like, it's almost the three of them collide together. And so the more I was learning about trauma, especially when we just went through what 2020 In the pandemic, it really impacted all of us. And, and I think Janice can speak on this one a little bit, but I think a lot of people feel that when they talk about trauma, there's a big T. But there's a lot of little T's, that that go unnoticed. We were talking earlier about kind of I'm okay. And those that have gone through the training that have self identified, maybe I'm not so okay. Maybe there's some things that here that I haven't dealt with, and unintentionally, unknowingly I've kind of, I don't know if this is an eloquent way to say it, but I've bled all over people, like my trauma has impacted unknowingly and other people, it could be co workers. You know, parenting, you know, kids, however that might be and so I'm to see the positive effects of people becoming aware of trauma, big T and little t. That in and of itself, it's huge. When we know better, we do better.
Janice Maurizi:We say know better do better. There's a quote by Maya Angelou that says, do your best, until you know better, then do better. And I love that because one, it takes away the shame and regret of not knowing in the first place. And I think when it comes to trauma, trafficking, addiction, there's a lot that we don't know. We're just uneducated, and so to empower people to know, so that they then can do better. We talk a lot about being a proactive person versus a reactive person. And so I see what we're doing with the initiative being the proactive piece of that we're helping people no head of time or no so that they can do better to be a trauma informed, healthy healing person. It's really empowering. For me also, what is broken, in relationship is healed through relationship. God created that relationship is where healing happens, whether that's a relationship with a family member, a friend, a therapist or relationship with God, like in that connection, and the safety of that relationship is where healing happens. And I think a lot of times we underestimate that, that just being with a person, sitting with them, giving them voice is healing. And not only is it healing, just relationally and on the outside, but actually it triggers healing in our brain. Like there's interactions that happen in the brain. When we sit face to face with someone look at them in the eye, it triggers something in our brain. And so stepping into relationship and equipping people to feel confident that it makes makes us healing people. So good. Can you talk about the initiative?
Sandra Keller:Absolutely.
Geoff King:Yeah.
Sandra Keller:So again, it really was birth, it was around 2021. I'm a part of our local anti trafficking coalition called ATN. And I, we were looking for mentors to come alongside survivors of traffickers and so on, Rhian. instead of reinventing the wheel, it was a matter of identifying organizations already in our awesome Fort Wayne area, that we're already doing mentorship, and how can we enhance their training to meet this need? So that's how it started. And that's where gateway was, and for 10 Ministries, raise their hand to to meet that need. And then we had people knocking on the door saying, Well, can we be a part of like, what are you doing? We want to understand more. We want to be better have, you know, yatta yatta, anywhere from nonprofits to just lay people we've had grandmas and grandpas that just adopted their teenage daughter who had trauma on her life, and how can we best come alongside her and help her in her healing journey we want to know, equip us give us tangible application that we can put into everyday living. And so audiences have been about 5050. We started off with 20. And then by the end of last year, we had 167 go through the training. It's been it's been exciting. Our next focus is actually on pastors and their staff. And so we just really have a heart for making sure that the church is equipped when it comes to these topics of trauma, human trafficking, addictions, and even mentorship and connecting people, having organizations calm and connecting with participants, and fanning that flame to get more people involved in mentorship. There's, there's barriers, when it comes to mentoring people think, Oh, I can't do that. I can't I'm not a counselor. I'm not a caseworker. I'm not I can't fix Well, guess what we don't want you to do, yeah, we just we need people who are willing to just come alongside. And if we can give you the knowledge and understanding and kind of get you in a better, that better place of understanding the people that you're coming alongside. It's it's just amazing to see how that fans that flame and it takes those barriers down. So So that's been exciting. So that's the initiative without giving it away. What's the curriculum like, like, what's a general idea of what somebody would go through? Sure. Well, it's bringing in the top experts in their field. And then like I said, you have your nonprofits and lay people that come in and connecting them under one roof. So Janice does our trauma. And then Nate moldering from Fort Wayne recovery Allendale treatment. He comes in and he does the substance abuse. Rob Parker from Gateway he'll do the mentorship kind of bring it home at the end. You have Jeremy Greenlee who comes in from the Indiana Trafficking Victims Assistance Program through the state and he handles the human trafficking segment. So it's an all day each segments about 90 minutes Rob does about 60 at the minute, Doug Nolte will definitely give him a little highlight he brings in food for lunch it's really a good day and the kicker
Mitch Kruse:I hope it's wings sometime. Pretty good looking desserts.
Sandra Keller:And the awesome thing matches it's free. So you've got brotherhood neutral and Ambassador and and prizes funding. So it's free to the community, to the community.
Geoff King:That's powerful. Your face is my face when I sat with her the first time I said what because at the heart of it is the heart of people who say we could we can't do it all by ourselves is too big of a thing to try to do by ourselves. I've had people ask me a lot ladies like what is one of the barriers to transfer true transformation that only God can do? In our city for in many of these types of areas, loving our families by by equipping people everyday people with what they can do to come alongside, yes, you're talking about. And I said the barrier is an exclusive exclusivity mindset, excuse me where it's, I am the one that does the thing. And I don't care for running and similar lanes, I will not share the baton with you, I will not run the weight race with you because I have to be known for the one that does it. And what the initiative is showing is that we can't really do it all by ourselves. And if it's truly for the greater good of the people that we're called to love as God loves us, then we'll do it together. We'll do it together under one roof in one day for 90 minute segments. And people come in, like the grandmother and the grandfather all the way to those that are working in the industry serving in the industry. They come in and get equipped. So your face isn't like my notes like this is so good. It's people that have lowered themselves. They've poured themselves out like Christ poured himself out, and Lord Himself to serve and love other people will. So I love that I you know, so as you share about that you've given some examples of just learning about coming alongside people, Janice, you said something about like, relationships, I'm not going to get it right. We're relationships, you know, Scar us relationships will heal us. That's what I heard. And that's so brilliant. I think about sometimes we see we compartmentalize traumas and hard things to the individual that it's happened to. And we forget about how like their individual thing, their episode, their trauma, their mental health crisis? Is it just there's it's connected to the people that love them as well? Why is it beneficial for the people that are the as well, if that makes sense? Mothers, fathers, caregivers, mentors for them to come to something like the initiative to understand it? Why is it beneficial for them to come in to learn what it means to come alongside someone?
Janice Maurizi:Yeah, I think a big part of it is a lot of the impacts of trauma is in the brain. And it's unseen. Like I can't look at you right now and tell how trauma has impacted you like I might see it in your behaviors. Yeah. But as far as understanding that it is impacting your brain in your body, we don't see that. And so I think helping people to understand that. And, you know, we show a couple pictures of a four year old brain, one that's healthy, and one that had neglect. And the differences between those two brains is astounding, you can't see that from the outside. And of no fault of their own. If someone has experienced trauma, it impacts how your brain receives information, how it responds. It's not that you're broken. It's just that your brain processes that a little differently. And so I think helping people just start understanding that. I know for myself, as I've learned more about it, my compassion has grown significantly. And in that, my patients, my kindness, my willingness to be steadfast in walking with other people, because I can understand better what is happening with them. Not that I'm perfect at it, because I'm not. But that growing that compassion and understanding and people makes for a healing relationship. So to give you an example, research is starting to show us that some kids that have been diagnosed ADHD are actually hyper vigilant from trauma. And so are treating them for ADHD is not helpful. So they continue to struggle in school continue to struggle with their behaviors, because we've missed that it's actually trauma. And so, why education is so important. Why understanding that or like, if you're a parent, and you're treating your kid for ADHD, and it's not helping, well, maybe you need to take a step back and be a detective. We talk a lot about being a detective, in the trauma training, like observe notice things. Behavior is a language. Yeah, and especially in trauma. If you're seeing behaviors and someone that don't make sense, there's a reason for it. They may not be able to have words for what's going on. And so seeing behavior as a type of communication and being a detective and asking the questions and figuring that out.
Mitch Kruse:Is there a baseline level of conditions that's considered trauma by definition, or is it all in the eyes of the beholder?
Sandra Keller:You got your little t's, car accident, traumatic birth, relocating, loss of job. And then you got your big t's. car accident, traumatic birth, relocating, loss of job. And then you got your big tease.
Janice Maurizi:Yeah. And the tricky thing about trauma is that it impacts all of us differently. Yeah. And so I think it is connected to addictions, for example, there is this propensity for it. And that is connected to how your body responds to stress. And so for some people that experience a lot of trauma, especially in childhood, those stress hormones are constantly revving through their body that's like that hyper vigilant. And so drugs and alcohol is a real easy way to self medicate that hyper vigilance, it new. And not that every person who is an addict has experienced trauma, but it is connected to that in many circumstances, depression, anxiety also have connections to that. And with trauma, the bad news is we all will experience trauma period, in some form, and some time of our life, we all will experience trauma, better for proactive, for educated, how we respond to that trauma can be healing, instead of making things a little bit harder for us.
Geoff King:Now, this is off script, but on script so. It' s a bullying online with our kids, both you guys have history with younger people in your practice is like, what is personal for have a cute little thing, she's gonna hear it and just love that I caught her that she's eighth grade now. And she just experienced some, some, some bullying. And I've heard educators say that you know, the continuum of care from school, to home. And if parents know how to step into a situation with their child for maybe the care they've received at school or out of the bullying that they've received at school. So let me digress like, what are some places that parents caregivers can lean in with their with their young person, as they've experience bullying? And how would you invite some of those parents in to walk alongside?
Janice Maurizi:That's a really great question. And I agree that it is a problem and a growing problem. Like, I'm really glad I'm not an adolescent today, what they face. I go back to proactive versus reactive, like fostering.Or I like to talk about having rhythms in your life and in your family life, and even a rhythm of talking about things having open communication, practicing, like ahead of time. Hey, let's roleplay this, and you're going to be a bully online, and I'm going to respond to you and do it the right way, do it the wrong way. But you're giving them opportunities to practice a behavior, which helps delay pathways in the brain. And so even ahead of time having those discussions. I also think speaking truth. Family scripts is a tool that we talked about this idea of having these sayings or these qualities that you just speak over your family. So words that heal that don't hurt. And our family, we encourage each other, we don't tear each other down, but even just kind of building up these principles that you go back to in those moments with the kids. Hey, what do we say about words? And their like eh words says this. Yeah, let's talk about what just happened with you in regards to that. Let's talk through it and what should your reaction be? A lot of it's, you know, practicing those things with them. It's hard.
Sandra Keller:Can you see why she's our trauma trainer? Yeah.
Geoff King:So good.
Mitch Kruse:I want to pour out my soul.
Geoff King:Yes. Really, really good. So. Okay.
Janice Maurizi:Well, quick, let me add quickly,to that
Geoff King:Yeah.
Janice Maurizi:Bullying, like, that causes stress in the body too. Yeah. Which impacts their ability to think clearly make good decisions. So even if you start talking about okay, well, what did that feel like in your body when that was happening? Helping them to recognize when they're getting stressed out, and then empowering them and practicing with them. Well, what should you do when that happens? Because I think a lot of times we and there's been research that recently came out about the levels of depression and anxiety in adolescent girls has just skyrocketed. And so helping our kids have coping skills for that. So they know how to react when my body starts to feel stressed out. This is how I respond. And let's be honest, most adults don't know how to cope with their own stress. Yeah. And so it probably would be good for the parents to learn those things as well. But you know, for us to empower our kids to know when I'm feeling stressed out, and how I respond sets them up for success.
Geoff King:Yeah. I'm glad that you mentioned that, like Mitch Mitch has been where I am now with two teenage daughters that are close in age, you know, eighth grade and 10th grade coming up as we start a brand new school year. And just even hearing that I'm like, Oh, hey, man, like, and not even in a playful way, like I have seen. The exam, like I've seen it, like I can see it in their effect. And I've heard it in the stories that they've told, told, and I've mentioned, one of my daughters more one than the other. And so just to, I can attest to like, man, it's just, it's hard for those young ladies. And it just really, really is. And so for just that encouragement for them to get lean in their head. Yeah, I hear you talking to me, like leaning, listen. But also, don't be shy to be equipped on the tools that you might that I might need to continue to father my own, my own will. And I pray that those who are listening here, hear that really loud and clear so
Janice Maurizi:Well and it's important for them to verbalize their feelings and what's going on in their brain, it's important for us to verbalize when a trauma has occurred. And you know, what we encourage people to do is within 72 hours of something traumatic, you need to talk to somebody about it, because that verbalizing of it stores it in a different part of the brain. If you don't talk about it, it gets stored in one place. You do talk about it, it does. It's more healing if it gets stored in the verbal part. And so if you can talk with your teams, which I know is hard. And so also like, it doesn't have to be spoken word even writing it down is still a verbal process. It's still getting those words out. And so if your team doesn't want to talk to you, like have them, write it down write about it.
Geoff King:Yeah. That's really good.
Mitch Kruse:That's, that's biblical.
Geoff King:That is biblical to write it down. That is, yeah.
Mitch Kruse:But to share and community, bringing things to light. Yeah, I find that restoration and that healing in community.
Geoff King:You do. We do. Yeah, we do. You know, as we, as we kind of hit the homestretch here in our dialogue, which is really good. I mean, it's super rich and hope folks, again, been blessed by listening, I want to talk or at least hit on a couple of different things. So one of them is I want to give you guys a space to kind of celebrate maybe some things that have come out of the initiative, you've got these, you all that have come together that said, we're going to create a space for anyone, anyone to come in and be equipped in here in these, these four to five different areas. Are there a few stories that you can just say, oh, yeah, those stories of like, you're celebrating like, these are some cool things that have happened.
Sandra Keller:Yeah. Well, I already touched a little bit of couple of organizations who their mentorship program has, as increased, we've got another organization hope alive, who's in our community that's now looking at opening up beds for those that have been trafficked. So that's huge. That's another win. Yeah, we've had anywhere from just organizations to individuals saying, hey, this has given me this is an awakening or a different perspective that I have, that I can go into the workforce, or I'm working alongside a student, or even how I parent, I remember one guy that we were recently talking about how he gets went through the training, he's like, holy cow, I went home and just talked to my son differently. It just, it just it was that fast the application and the knowledge that's put to us. I got an email from another organization or area that one of the staff, so the organization comes alongside parents in crisis. So this particular staff member had just gone through training about a month prior. And she had a mother that was in a vulnerable state. And when we're in a vulnerable state, our decision making is a little cloudy, it's not so clear, and the staff member was picking up on that this mom was being groomed by a trafficker, or mean being, you know, just trust being built over time by this trafficker. And so she was able to sit down with that mom and say, Hey, this is what I see. And was able to keep her safe. And so that was a huge one. I just yeah, there's just been the surveys that we We get back and the testimonies that we get back, either from organizations that have gone through the training or just those lay people that how they can apply it day to day has just been awesome. So it's it's great.
Geoff King:Lots of good stories.
Janice Maurizi:Not just organizational impact, you know, a number of people have come up after an event. Like I didn't know that I experienced trauma. Yeah, the self awareness and like, this is making so much sense to me now. Yeah. So it's at a personal level impacting people. Which is, it's amazing to see.
Geoff King:They came maybe to learn so that right help. And then it's, oh, it's been, you know, something's been revealed in them, which I think is great. One of the last things and now that Mitch is our closing question that we always do is, can you just share a little bit about train the trainer here? And so? Yeah, because the Yeah, because we're excited about that. And 22nd Sandras, a part of Love Fort Wayne, we have these advisory teams for all of our pillars, which are again, people lorring themselves coming together, and saying, What could we do? What What should we do? What could we do? What will we do in these love pillars? And you're part of that love our families pillar of how can we love and equip our families to in our city so that they flourish? And so out of one of our strategic doing times in that team came this train the trainer? Yeah. Can you just share a little bit?
Sandra Keller:Absolutely, absolutely. So our illustrious Janice came and did a whole day of training. And we had CEOs, we had principals, we even had a couple representatives from the mayor's office come together in a room for a day and it was recorded. And that recording along with study guides and other resources is available on theinitiativefw.org. It is it is available to anybody. It is free. And so I it's it's stellar. It really is stellar. So.
Geoff King:Yeah. Can you say one more time? Where to find that
Sandra Keller:Sure. theinitiativefw.org.
Geoff King:Yeah, yeah. Because it's awesome.
Janice Maurizi:And I would call it Trauma 101. So we talk about what is trauma? How does it impact the body and behaviors and beliefs? We talk about tools to use, how do you walk with someone? How do you help yourself? And then we do a third section on self care. Because I believe if you're going to be walking alongside people in need of healing from trauma, you yourself need to be healthy. And so how to gauge that and practices for keeping yourself healthy. So that you can can walk with people, which I think for those of us who work in the nonprofit world or work in the church, what a lot of times the leaders aren't taking good care of themselves. So for me, it's important that that is always partnered with trauma, so that we have healthy people that are able to engage with others.
Geoff King:So good. So good. Thank you for sharing that stuff is amazing.
Mitch Kruse:Man. We want to ask you and close with this. What looking in the rearview mirror, would you tell your 20 year old self?
Geoff King:You got them thinking? That's good.
Sandra Keller:What would I tell my 20 year old self? Dude, you didn't give us a heads up. And you're so splicing this part.
Mitch Kruse:I say there's going to be a tough question when I do that podcast.
Geoff King:Here it is.
Mitch Kruse:Yeah.
Sandra Keller:20 year old self? Man. I wish I would have known what I know now then for sure.
Mitch Kruse:If you did, you would take things more in stride, knowing you don't have to fix everything, right everything?
Sandra Keller:Absolutely, that it's okay to not have all the answers. It's it's, like I think back to our conversations about normalizing. Looking at people differently, understanding that we all-I can line up 10 people, we all have stuff. We're all working through stuff and how to best come alongside other people, how to self care how to be a better, you know, identify those things, even for myself to show up as my best in order to come alongside other people. Yeah, I don't know.
Geoff King:That's good.
Sandra Keller:You know?
Janice Maurizi:Yeah. You know, I think I would add to that, to not be afraid of trauma and hardship. that there is a life after that. And there's healing after that. There's goodness, after it. I think also to not be afraid of people who are in the midst of trauma or thinking about the vulnerable populations that oftentimes feel like their life circumstances are a lot different than ours. And it can be a little fearful inner gate, you know, engaging with them. Whether it's someone in addiction or homelessness, or for me, it was, you know, being with trafficked or vulnerable, you know, youth and kids abroad. They're just people who are hurting, and need need us just to be with them. And they're not to be feared. They're not to keep away from us to protect ourselves. But actually, there's a lot of healing and goodness that comes from engaging with them and what they have taught me about, I mean, all I know about trauma. I've learned from the people I've walked beside, like, they're the ones that have taught me those things. They're the ones that have grown my compassion and my passion for it. I think that's probably what I would speak over myself.
Mitch Kruse:Amen.
Geoff King:Two really great answers, yes, two really great answers. And I would say to those folks that are listening that are younger, because I know we do have those younger listeners, eat it, eat it always say when somebody tosses to you catch it. So thank you all. Thank you both.
Sandra Keller:Thanks for having us
Geoff King:Sharing more about your heart for the work that you do, sharing all the unique stories and encouraging us to be a people that walk with others that we're connected to, and also be aware of ourselves, maybe where we've experienced traumas. And I just pray that those of you who have tuned in, are blessed that you receive something. And that you can take it with you and perhaps you'll pursue attending one of the initiative sessions, as well. So that's all of our time for today, Mitch, it's been great. It's been great. Thank you for tuning in. And we hope to have you back for our next Love Fort Wayne podcast.
Mitch Kruse:Thank you so much for joining us this month, we drop a new episode the first Monday of every month. Love Fort Wayne has some amazing episodes coming up. You don't want to miss a single one. So subscribe today, wherever you are listening. If you enjoyed this episode, please like, share and leave a review. We want to share your thoughts and comments with listeners on future episodes. Thanks again for joining us today. Join us next time as we hear from leaders that don't just lead but love our city.